you've got to do is look at southern europe to see what's going on. 25% unemployment in greece and in spain. imagine that the minority employment would be if we had 25% unemployment rate on average in the united states. we see pensions being cut without any notice hardly at all in these countries. we see social programs slashed. i think if we convince the representatives of the so-called disadvantaged groups that there is at least some probability that that will happen to us. i was a certainty that will happen to us eventually if we don't do something about the situation. i would think it'd be much more sober in their demands. at this moment i don't see it. >> i would say that a lot of this is before talking inside the beltway, that's a different conversation in the wake of of outside the beltway. part of the disservice the debate is happening today as it is steering away from what the real issues are common to most pressing issue, which is a sovereign potential for the debt crisis ever optimistic. it's steering the conversation away or not and it is not helping ordinary americans understan